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Old 12th April 2012, 12:07 AM
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Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

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there's ongoing discussion about the connotation analysis
of Fedora Project code names (so not only for Fedora itself
but other sub-projects too) started by Rajesh Ranjan (thanks
for ticket!).

It's a right time to get an input from community as there's
currently running Fedora 18 codename process [1].

As Rajesh posted to Fedora Board Track ticket, connotation is
"the emotional and imaginative association for a word, where
denotation is the strict dictionary meaning of a word."

Current process for selecting next code name is - community
members suggests the name, there's publicly accessible list for
everyone, then Board goes through the suggested names list to
remove the clear examples of names breaking the policy (yeah,
usually it's one search term in Google to find out the name has
to be ruled out, but that's Board deal ;-) and this list is
sent to Red Hat legal for proper legal review. Then the voting
is opened for everyone with valid FAS account and only names
that passed the process are allowed.

In Fedora we believe in freedom and openness, we don't have to
stick to the strict "corporate-like| rules but on the other hand we
should respect our community and we don't want to offend anyone
consciously.

Usually, we use the common sense to rule out offending stuff but
also we (and Board neither) don't have a degree in sociology, politics,
religion and our geek culture is also from the another universe .

As I already pointed out - the process is open. Anybody can step
into in the early phase of naming selection and comment the
potential problems. And I believe the Board members will think
about the concerns raised (at least me ;-).

So personally I'd like to avoid any strict rule/policy as it could
hurt our community, we don't have a proper set of skills to do
the full analysis during the Board turn and I really hope with help
provided by community we can avoid the naming problems in the
future - just we need your, community, input.

Any thoughts?

PS: I like Christoph's comment in ticket - that as an international
project we should be proud of our diversity. It is a chance and
a burden at the same time, Fedora will face this problem often and
we can do our best to respect others and their views.
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/piper...ch/011418.html

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should drop the codenames cause nobody cares really
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Old 12th April 2012, 12:55 AM
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Re: Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

Never paid attention to those names so wont make slightest difference to me.
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Old 12th April 2012, 01:15 AM
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Re: Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

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should drop the codenames cause nobody cares really
No, you don't care. But that ain't everybody. <....>
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Old 12th April 2012, 01:23 AM
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Re: Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

I saw a thread a couple of days ago that a member had installed "Verne" and it took me a second to realize what he'd installed, since referring to versions by name is almost non-existent in the Forum.

Windows7 and Windows8 broke away from names with no backlash from the populace. I think Tox is right in this case; nobody really cares about the name, it's the version number that people identify with and it makes it easier to work with threads and associated problems when the number's mentioned.

In short, let Beefy Miracle signal an end to the foolishness and name-calling. Perhaps Ubuntu will take the hint.
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Old 12th April 2012, 08:17 AM
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Re: Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

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Windows7 and Windows8 broke away from names with no backlash from the populace. I think Tox is right in this case; nobody really cares about the name, it's the version number that people identify with and it makes it easier to work with threads and associated problems when the number's mentioned.

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Maybe Windows 7 was an attempt to make users forget the Vista snafu?
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Old 12th April 2012, 08:35 AM
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Re: Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

Without a codename it becomes so sterile, cold and it is kind of boring to just have version as a name.
Even though the names don't really reflect the nature of the releases, it does make them a bit more personal.
If the current way of determing a name is too.much of a hassle, the proccess should rather be simplified than eliminated altogether.
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Old 12th April 2012, 01:27 AM
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Re: Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

it is a waste of time coming up with names for every release also. i agree with seth vidal on that

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the names are a waste of time and effort to administer the process
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Old 12th April 2012, 01:36 AM
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Re: Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

Yeesh! Whussamadder wid youz guys?! <....> This stuff is critical!

If'n we didn't have code names ... we'd all end up calling it something as prosaic as ... F16, F17, F18 etc.!
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Old 12th April 2012, 01:43 AM
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Re: Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

I don't think we need names for fedora. unlike ubuntu, where the ppa's added have the code names in them, in fedora we hardly ever use the names. May be it helps in theme each release - but then, we do not necessarily need a name to theme a release. In fact, without a name, for all we know, themes might become more creative.
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Old 12th April 2012, 02:12 AM
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Re: Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

How about "Vindaloo." It's spicey and International.
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Old 12th April 2012, 02:22 AM
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How about "Vindaloo."
I had beef vindaloo once at an Indian restaurant in London, Ontario (Canada). It was so spicy hot I thought I was going to die.
That is all.
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Old 12th April 2012, 06:35 PM
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Re: Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

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I had beef vindaloo once at an Indian restaurant in London, Ontario (Canada). It was so spicy hot I thought I was going to die.
That is all.
Don't try a phaal then!
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Old 12th April 2012, 02:21 AM
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Re: Fedora decides to drop Codenames?

I agree that it makes no difference unless they agree to start naming them after types of BEER!!
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"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."
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Old 12th April 2012, 03:13 AM
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I agree that it makes no difference unless they agree to start naming them after types of BEER!!
Hey! That's offensive to teetotallers like myself.
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Old 12th April 2012, 03:40 AM
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Hey! That's offensive to teetotallers like myself.
Good to know I still have the touch!
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