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Old 10th July 2012, 02:27 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

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The screenshots in post #1 look ****ing horrendous and totally unusable for any productive desktops.
Sadly, agreed.
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Old 10th July 2012, 04:11 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

It's hard to believe anyone thinks about Gnome enough to even discuss it anymore. It's not even an option.

And as someone said before, what the hell is Redhat going to do with this dog?
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Old 10th July 2012, 04:26 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

Develop it, improve it and then publish it. Whether or not it's a good idea will be determined by the future. But at the present, while the concept is young, and the glove really doesn't fit the need, it's deucedly uncomfortable for those used to the older ways of doing things ... like me.
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Old 10th July 2012, 04:29 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

Looks like they're doing a bang-up job so far, judging by the ongoing bash-fest.

I haven't even seen it - personally - since F15.
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Old 10th July 2012, 04:31 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

Just curious what the odds actually are of Gnome ever getting on tablets, and if the chances are small--why develop for it? Windows ARM tablets will be locked up as I understand it. Only Linux tablet I know of is the QT tablet. Linux will never beat Android on tablets IMO.
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Old 10th July 2012, 04:36 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

If the glove doesn't fit.. you must acquit..

A lot of the "bashing" has toned down. The ones that it just didn't work for have moved on to other desktops, and the ones that like it are using it.

For me, I tried to use it for well over a year, but.. (as Dan put it) the glove just didn't fit.

I will probably be giving it a try here and there for quite awhile, but for now, I have moved on to using Xfce.

It will be very interesting to watch the RHEL 7 release, though. I have always loved a good fireworks show (and those will be paying customers, too)
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Old 10th July 2012, 05:00 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

Gareth, I meant to offense my friend. I am a cheerleader for other Open source projects, so feel free to bash my love of Samba (4) and IDM.

I haven't really give XFCE much of a shot simply because Red Hat said it will not make it to a supported state in RHEL7. I tried Gnome 3.* and like Dan and the others, just couldn't be productive on it. I spent more time looking for extensions, fixing the bug in them, or otherwise trying to make Gnome useable in a corporate sense, but gave up. I have to many other things to do (like taking care of the RHEL environment) to spend precious time trying to get the DE to do work.

Sure, having Gnome extendable with extensions is nice for the home user who likes to tinker with it... I don't mind on my home systems. But I have a laptop that I have to use to get stuff done. Building packages, building machines, hosting web conferences, managing projects and the kit that comes with running a semi large RHEL environment (and yes, even some Windows machines), I dont want to have to constantly fiddle with the DE to get it "useable"

Sadly, I can confirm that Gnome 3.* will be coming to RHEL 7. Jonathan Blandford confirmed it in his RHEL 7 roadmap speech 2 weeks ago at Summit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-cDo...ilpage#t=1913s

This is where he VERY briefly mentions Gnome 3 coming to RHEL7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-cDo...ilpage#t=2505s

I went down to the Partner Pavillion and spent over an hour with Jonathan and the RHEL7 demo they had running. Besides a new wallpaper (Which was very beautiful BTW) they were running Gnome 3.5 on the demo, an the only other major changes were a few more account service providers and chat plugins (like Sametime, Yahoo, and stuff). It did not handle multi-monitors with different resolutions worth a flip (but it is beta after all). This is when I asked him if they planned on putting XFCE or LXDE or even Cinnamon in the Extra's channel, and they very confidently said they would not be in there. They had no plans to offer them.

We don't have 1500 instances like the other fellow who posted, but we do have 500 (only using about 400 right now) and all three of the Linux admins will not be happy with the forcing of Gnome 3 on our workstations. It doesn't really matter on our servers, since we dont install a DE, but for workstation it will go over like a lead balloon in our shop.
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Old 10th July 2012, 05:04 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

There have been times when I've thought about installing it just to check it out, simply for lulz and out of boredom. But then there's no doubt I would uninstall it, with the risk of either leaving behind a ton of junk or removing something that causes an unstable mess, my better judgement wins out.

And yes, it will be entertaining to see how this drops in RHEL, if indeed it does.
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Old 10th July 2012, 05:05 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

It's interesting. I've always considered the catering to the new user a waste of time, figuring they're not going to leave Windows and Mac anyway.

On the other hand, when you compare the desktop oriented, Think of the poor children--errm, newcomer, distros like Fedora, Ubuntu, and Mint, (oh my), to say, Arch, or the BSDS---the GUI oriented ones have far more users. Of course, Apple and MS have far more users than that.

My problem is that RedHat blithely throws in whatever the Fedora folks do. Things like killing the text install in favor of a GUI is great for desktop/laptop users---though, the way Fedora does it, it can break things that wouldn't have broken in a text install, like low resolution graphics that put the next button off screen--but regardless, that's fine, we have choice, blah blah.

But, when RH did that, it surprised and angered a lot of people. On the other hand, RH isn't going anywhere at this point--not too many people are going to be able to (or willing to) change an existing infrastructure (whether RH, CentOS, or Oracle Linux), so mostly people will grumble and deal with it. Still, one wonders if it might, in the long run, hurt them.

TLDR; Fedora is, more and more, aimed at, and concerned with, the less experienced desktop user, which is fine, but some folks at RH should be thinking more about their quite separate, and more experienced, target audience.

The old Unix premises of one small program doing one thing well, and Unix doesn't stop you from doing stupid things because it would stop you from doing clever things, seem to have gone by the wayside.
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Old 10th July 2012, 05:10 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

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There have been times when I've thought about installing it just to check it out, simply for lulz and out of boredom. But then there's no doubt I would uninstall it, with the risk of either leaving behind a ton of junk or removing something that causes an unstable mess, my better judgement wins out.

And yes, it will be entertaining to see how this drops in RHEL, if indeed it does.
R3V0lV3R,
See my youtube links a few posts above. They did indeed announce Gnome 3.* is in fact coming to RHEL7. This came straight from the guy that heads up the Desktop team at Redhat. Whether we like it or not, Gnome 3.* is coming to RHEL 7. Heck, its already in place and running in the RHEL7 alpha/beta build they were demoing at Summit.
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Old 10th July 2012, 05:17 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

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On the other hand, RH isn't going anywhere at this point--not too many people are going to be able to (or willing to) change an existing infrastructure (whether RH, CentOS, or Oracle Linux), so mostly people will grumble and deal with it. Still, one wonders if it might, in the long run, hurt them.
This is anecdotal and has nothing to do with Gnome 3, but my company is in the process of doing just that - switching all Red Hat server to CentOS.

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R3V0lV3R,
See my youtube links a few posts above. They did indeed announce Gnome 3.* is in fact coming to RHEL7. This came straight from the guy that heads up the Desktop team at Redhat. Whether we like it or not, Gnome 3.* is coming to RHEL 7. Heck, its already in place and running in the RHEL7 alpha/beta build they were demoing at Summit.
Yeah I saw that after I posted.... wow. Well, let's get our popcorn out.
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Old 10th July 2012, 05:21 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

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This is anecdotal and has nothing to do with Gnome 3, but my company is in the process of doing just that - switching all Red Hat server to CentOS.
Switching to CentOS really isn't going to help in this case. CentOS pretty much is a clone of RHEL.
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Old 10th July 2012, 05:22 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

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This is anecdotal and has nothing to do with Gnome 3, but my company is in the process of doing just that - switching all Red Hat server to CentOS.

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Yeah I saw that after I posted.... wow. Well, let's get our popcorn out.
Hehe.. no doubt. Heres my prediction:
RHEL7 public beta will launch, possibly with only Gnome 3.* shipping as the DE. Massive public mumbling will cause RH to include KDE since its already supported in other RHEL versions.
Then, I would add that I predict RH will be asked by many customers (myself included) to start including support, and even contributing to the development of XFCE or other DE's.

Either that, or RH will take heed of the grumbling and develop some really awesome pre-built and pre-included Gnome 3 extensions that make the DE useable for us grouchy old sys-admins. This may not be a bad compromise. The Gnome-devs get to hold on to their lofty "We know whats best because Gartner says so" attitudes while still meeting the wants/needs of customers that actually use the product.

Please excuse my sarcasm and ranting, I am new to these Forums, and we have a pretty good conversation going on so far
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Old 10th July 2012, 05:30 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

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Switching to CentOS really isn't going to help in this case. CentOS pretty much is a clone of RHEL.
True.

I think the decision had more to do with the fact that RH support didn't offer much that our in-house team couldn't already do. So it was just a cost/value thing.
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Old 10th July 2012, 05:37 AM
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Re: The futuristic design of all Gnome Apps

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Hehe.. no doubt. Heres my prediction:
RHEL7 public beta will launch, possibly with only Gnome 3.* shipping as the DE. Massive public mumbling will cause RH to include KDE since its already supported in other RHEL versions.
Then, I would add that I predict RH will be asked by many customers (myself included) to start including support, and even contributing to the development of XFCE or other DE's.

Either that, or RH will take heed of the grumbling and develop some really awesome pre-built and pre-included Gnome 3 extensions that make the DE useable for us grouchy old sys-admins. This may not be a bad compromise. The Gnome-devs get to hold on to their lofty "We know whats best because Gartner says so" attitudes while still meeting the wants/needs of customers that actually use the product.

Please excuse my sarcasm and ranting, I am new to these Forums, and we have a pretty good conversation going on so far
This is actually a good, beneficial debate, not a Gnome "Bashfest".

But for the place where I work, no amount of extensions would work. One of the main issues are the new "features" they are building into Gnome shell, like the social networking stuff. Just that one thing prevents it from being able to be installed on any machine where I work at.

While I have looked at it for over a year trying to find ways to strip that stuff out of Gnome shell, I can't seem to find any way without totally destroying it.
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