GNOME 3.5.2 introduces default power off button

[nonamedotc]

I actually quite like the idea of getting rid of the categories. I spend a lot of time on rearranging the menu items as per my preferences because I do not necessarily agree with default categories.

Two examples that I am very fond of are MATLAB or Mathematica. More often than not, go in to other. Furthermore, xcircuit goes into Electronics but gresistor goes in to other.

Getting rid of the whole thing and optimizing the search feature is an excellent idea in my opinion.

[joncr]

Originally Posted by nonamedotc

I actually quite like the idea of getting rid of the categories. I spend a lot of time on rearranging the menu items as per my preferences because I do not necessarily agree with default categories.

Two examples that I am very fond of are MATLAB or Mathematica. More often than not, go in to other. Furthermore, xcircuit goes into Electronics but gresistor goes in to other.

Getting rid of the whole thing and optimizing the search feature is an excellent idea in my opinion.

Hmm. I din't know you could edit that display.

I think it's an appropriate design when a device has few apps, like a typical phone. But, not on a typical Linux system.

At heart, it's really just another view of the file system. I'd like it better if I could opt for a simple filename display, and get rid of all the icons.

Search has a future, if it gets smart enough. Right now, I'm not sure search can help a user find something unless he knows what he's looking for. E.g., typing "G-I-M" will likely get you to Gimp. But, what happens when you type "make image smaller" because you don't know about Gimp?

[Gareth Jones]

Originally Posted by Dutchy

Sane decision to repair that.
I'm not so sure about this though.

My first reaction was that it was a bad call. I still think the categories should be optional rather than removed out-right (maybe an extension could provide them if the API can be stabilized). However, thinking about it, I never actually use the categories. Actually I never use the application list at all (not that I advocate removing it!).

---------- Post added at 06:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:55 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Dan

Kinda hard to beat the availability of clearly visible options.

Especially when they're alpha-blended to near-invisibility...

[Dan]

Ok. So I wasn't quite as careful as I could have been with the GIMP erase tool. <....>

Those were two screenshots, in layers. I just took an erase swipe at the top of the top layer, and flattened 'em. I shudda known this would be the one day the art critics would come to the daily dog and pony show. <....>

[Dutchy]

Originally Posted by nonamedotc

I actually quite like the idea of getting rid of the categories. I spend a lot of time on rearranging the menu items as per my preferences because I do not necessarily agree with default categories.

Two examples that I am very fond of are MATLAB or Mathematica. More often than not, go in to other. Furthermore, xcircuit goes into Electronics but gresistor goes in to other.

Getting rid of the whole thing and optimizing the search feature is an excellent idea in my opinion.

So when something doesn't always work then you just get rid of it?
I agree that the system has it flaws but for example the games category always gets the job done.

[nonamedotc]

I am not saying you just get rid of something that does not do its job right. I am simply saying, in my case, I don't really mind whether it is there or not. If it is there and it does not categorize things as per my linking, I spend quite a bit of time tweaking it - even if I do not use the 'menus' much (ALT+F2 and terminal >85%). That's what I meant. Also, GNOME 3 search generally does an excellent job for me.

I am not saying it is the best idea or that it will amply suit everyone. I simply stated my opinion on why I thought it was a good idea for the system I am likely to use.

[droidhacker]

Well I think that it is just plain old retarded to eliminate categories.
On a smartphone, OK, MAYBE it makes sense not to have categories, because face it, how many applications will you have installed? 10? 20? If the number is that low, ok, you can sift through them and find what you're after. On a desktop though, just try sifting through the THOUDANDS of menu items when thrown into a huge ugly mess.

And search is obviously not an option. I have no interest in TYPING OUT the name of the application I'm looking for. Might as well just use a terminal window for launching everything if that is the requirement.

I have, on my brand new laptop, finally begun using gnome-shell. I tell you though, I've got about 10-15 "extensions" installed in order to actually make the thing marginally usable.
Advanced Settings in UserMenu,
Alternative Status Menu (poweroff button visible),
CPU Temperature Indicator,
Frippery Applications Menu,
Frippery Bottom Panel (I had to modify the css for this though, because it had really ugly white outlines),
Frippery Panel Favorites,
Native Window Placement,
No Topleft Hot Corner,
Quit Button,
Remove Accessibility.
There may be more, but that's what I remember.

On my dual-display desktops, it is simply impossible. Gnome-shell just can't handle two displays properly no matter what you do, and it chokes when you've got more than about 15-20 windows open.

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Originally Posted by nonamedotc

I am not saying you just get rid of something that does not do its job right. I am simply saying, in my case, I don't really mind whether it is there or not. If it is there and it does not categorize things as per my linking, I spend quite a bit of time tweaking it - even if I do not use the 'menus' much (ALT+F2 and terminal >85%). That's what I meant. Also, GNOME 3 search generally does an excellent job for me.

I am not saying it is the best idea or that it will amply suit everyone. I simply stated my opinion on why I thought it was a good idea for the system I am likely to use.

The fact that it includes an "all every bloody thing in a mess" category means that the rest of the catagories don't impact you, in either a positive or negative way. For many of us though, the catagories are very *necessary*, even if they do require a small amount of tweaking. Saves a *lot* of time. If you know where to find something, then search is just a waste of time. Now they're just FORCING everybody to NOT know where to find ANYTHING.

[nonamedotc]

Originally Posted by droidhacker

The fact that it includes an "all every bloody thing in a mess" category means that the rest of the catagories don't impact you, in either a positive or negative way. For many of us though, the catagories are very *necessary*, even if they do require a small amount of tweaking. Saves a *lot* of time. If you know where to find something, then search is just a waste of time. Now they're just FORCING everybody to NOT know where to find ANYTHING.

As I said - no one thing is universally applicable to anyone. The only way what is proposed is not happening is if the users convince the GNOME devs NOT to implement that.

If this is going to be implemented, some people WILL LIKE IT (me for a start) and I do acknowledge that some people WON'T. Even if I know where everything is, typing a couple of alphabets brings the wanted program in the front and makes it convenient (FOR ME) to launch it. If I do not know where things are - search is fine too. Long story short - I was simply voicing my opinion why I liked the idea. I was not and am not saying (will not say) it is the best idea since sliced bread.

[droidhacker]

Originally Posted by nonamedotc

As I said - no one thing is universally applicable to anyone. The only way what is proposed is not happening is if the users convince the GNOME devs NOT to implement that.

If this is going to be implemented, some people WILL LIKE IT (me for a start) and I do acknowledge that some people WON'T. Even if I know where everything is, typing a couple of alphabets brings the wanted program in the front and makes it convenient (FOR ME) to launch it. If I do not know where things are - search is fine too. Long story short - I was simply voicing my opinion why I liked the idea. I was not and am not saying (will not say) it is the best idea since sliced bread.

You missed my point; why would you like that MORE than having that PLUS categories?
If you don't USE the categories, they don't hurt you. You still have the frikkin vile mess of everything if that's what you prefer.

Keeping the categories will satisfy everyone who LIKES the categories.
Keeping the "everything" mess will satisfy everyone who likes a mess.

[MALsPa]

I don't use the categories much, but they've been convenient to have sometimes. I'd prefer that they weren't taken out.

Very happy about the power off button.

[deanej]

How does search help you if you don't know what you're looking for? Applications are not discoverable if you have to search for them. I guess we're back to the command line days of having to know exactly what you need.

[ElderSnake]

About time although I always quickly enabled an extension to "fix" it anyway.

But meh, I'm on good old sane KDE at the moment (XFCE on the netbook)

[titan04]

Originally Posted by droidhacker

Well I think that it is just plain old retarded to eliminate categories.
On a smartphone, OK, MAYBE it makes sense not to have categories, because face it, how many applications will you have installed? 10? 20? If the number is that low, ok, you can sift through them and find what you're after. On a desktop though, just try sifting through the THOUDANDS of menu items when thrown into a huge ugly mess.

And search is obviously not an option. I have no interest in TYPING OUT the name of the application I'm looking for. Might as well just use a terminal window for launching everything if that is the requirement.

I have, on my brand new laptop, finally begun using gnome-shell. I tell you though, I've got about 10-15 "extensions" installed in order to actually make the thing marginally usable.
Advanced Settings in UserMenu,
Alternative Status Menu (poweroff button visible),
CPU Temperature Indicator,
Frippery Applications Menu,
Frippery Bottom Panel (I had to modify the css for this though, because it had really ugly white outlines),
Frippery Panel Favorites,
Native Window Placement,
No Topleft Hot Corner,
Quit Button,
Remove Accessibility.
There may be more, but that's what I remember.

On my dual-display desktops, it is simply impossible. Gnome-shell just can't handle two displays properly no matter what you do, and it chokes when you've got more than about 15-20 windows open.[COLOR="Silver"]

With extensions GNOME 3 is very usable and I use it on 3 montiors and 4 montiors at home and they all behave perfectly... took a good hour to get them all setup correctly and a few more days of tweaking here and there to get it all right, but this is so much more efficient than hamster clicking all over the interface. Who needs app menus when you know all the apps you have installed? If you don't, add one of the dozen or so extensions (or write one) that give you your app menu back.

Evolve or die, some people cannot and those drop off the face of the earth save a few faithful that get used to their old Windows look

I think Efficiency is the design here, the mouse is by far the most inefficient yet sometimes necessary item we have. You can open any application faster with a quick search typing 1-5 letters of it than clicking through menus. The Keyboard is just faster and is finally getting more and more love. Isn't that why we all went to Linux anyway, more shortcuts?