Solutions to common issue

[nick.stumpos]

Originally Posted by JN4OldSchool

The only problem here is we now get into stupid arguments at every turn. And why waste time on something that is already available. The only argument we have is WHO's install notes do we use. I think this is the main reason Stanton gave up the ghost and moved on. He liked Fresh and got tired of the nittpicking with Livna folks. I used Livna with 4, Fresh with 5 and I'm back to Livna with 6. No real reason. It is just so dumb! So we argue on gnome vs kde while the potential new user cant even get FC installed? How about this, why not get an interested team together to write our own istallation guide? Something modeled after Stanton's site and MJM and FedoraFAQ? The team members can argue and hash out the easiest and most beneicial apps to use. And we can link this guide in this "first post" as the place to go to get configured. This would relegate the "first post" as just an immediate warning board for quick solutions to install problems and major issues.

my vote is for livna, its the *official* way, and i have never had anything i couldnt find from them, then again if yum doesnt find something right away im usually off to the source, so maybe i just got used to this, but it seems with the livna, core, extras trifecta i have never had any problems.

[Dies]

Originally Posted by JN4OldSchool

The only problem here is we now get into stupid arguments at every turn. And why waste time on something that is already available. The only argument we have is WHO's install notes do we use. I think this is the main reason Stanton gave up the ghost and moved on. He liked Fresh and got tired of the nittpicking with Livna folks. I used Livna with 4, Fresh with 5 and I'm back to Livna with 6. No real reason. It is just so dumb! So we argue on gnome vs kde while the potential new user cant even get FC installed? How about this, why not get an interested team together to write our own istallation guide? Something modeled after Stanton's site and MJM and FedoraFAQ? The team members can argue and hash out the easiest and most beneicial apps to use. And we can link this guide in this "first post" as the place to go to get configured. This would relegate the "first post" as just an immediate warning board for quick solutions to install problems and major issues.

Wow I was trying to argue with anyone just voicing my opinion but whatever, I'll leave you guys to it.

[Dies]

Originally Posted by JN4OldSchool

The only problem here is we now get into stupid arguments at every turn. And why waste time on something that is already available. The only argument we have is WHO's install notes do we use. I think this is the main reason Stanton gave up the ghost and moved on. He liked Fresh and got tired of the nittpicking with Livna folks. I used Livna with 4, Fresh with 5 and I'm back to Livna with 6. No real reason. It is just so dumb! So we argue on gnome vs kde while the potential new user cant even get FC installed? How about this, why not get an interested team together to write our own istallation guide? Something modeled after Stanton's site and MJM and FedoraFAQ? The team members can argue and hash out the easiest and most beneicial apps to use. And we can link this guide in this "first post" as the place to go to get configured. This would relegate the "first post" as just an immediate warning board for quick solutions to install problems and major issues.

Wow I wasn't trying to argue with anyone just voicing my opinion but whatever, I'll leave you guys to it.

[JN4OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Nickisgod1

my vote is for livna, its the *official* way, and i have never had anything i couldnt find from them, then again if yum doesnt find something right away im usually off to the source, so maybe i just got used to this, but it seems with the livna, core, extras trifecta i have never had any problems.

See there, this is what I mean. I happen to agree with Livna, but sure as shi...dog dooky someone will now come along and insist on Fresh. We dont need to decide THIS issue, only point out that the new user WILL have to make this choice. Every single thing is an argument in Linux, and this is good. Thank God we have the choices we do. I prefer Audacious as a music player, but I can see why some would like Amarok. Personaly, I just like the small, unobtrusive simple player, it is all i need. Plus, I dont mind putting a few minutes a day into this, but if I wanted to write a Linux install guide then I would write something like Fedora Unleashed or the Fedora Bible in easy to use cat in the hat terms and try to get it published and make some money. I dont want or need that kind of project. Why mirror what several others have already done when all we really need is a prominate table of contents to direct people to these resources?

[nick.stumpos]

@DIES
if i figure out how i did it ill be sure to let you know

[JN4OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Dies

Wow I wasn't trying to argue with anyone just voicing my opinion but whatever, I'll leave you guys to it.

Oh no no no DIES, come on now, you are more than welcome to join in this! I am sure your opinion carries as much weight as mine, this isnt MY project!

[nick.stumpos]

Originally Posted by JN4OldSchool

See there, this is what I mean. I happen to agree with Livna, but sure as shi...dog dooky someone will now come along and insist on Fresh. We dont need to decide THIS issue, only point out that the new user WILL have to make this choice. Every single thing is an argument in Linux, and this is good. Thank God we have the choices we do. I prefer Audacious as a music player, but I can see why some would like Amarok. Personaly, I just like the small, unobtrusive simple player, it is all i need. Plus, I dont mind putting a few minutes a day into this, but if I wanted to write a Linux install guide then I would write something like Fedora Unleashed or the Fedora Bible in easy to use cat in the hat terms and try to get it published and make some money. I dont want or need that kind of project. Why mirror what several others have already done when all we really need is a prominate table of contents to direct people to these resources?

OK i get you, so instead of us saying use livna, or use fresh, just put up a disclaimer saying dont use them together, and let the user decide which is better for them. So we would just adress core issues, like bugs with anaconda, or preinstalled programs, as if the only repos they had available was core, and then just give warings about various choices

[nick.stumpos]

hey dies yes do come back and check this out while your here
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Deskt...er-18024.shtml

[bob]

Dies, don't go anywhere; you're a needed part of any discussion. And folks, I agree with the concept that unfortunately our conflicts in repositories isn't going to get better since the people involved aren't going to make it better. If that's the case, then I would hope that those who write tutorials for new users can agree to working with one repository for their instructions and if the other group is needed, then instruct on how to use 'yum --enablerepo' to add it for that one install.

Let's face facts; Livna's been the 3rd. party repository of choice for FC for quite awhile now. Whether that status will change if Core and Extras merge remains to be seen, but for now it would be great if everyone could agree on Livna for most of the instructions (my feelings alone). Yes, that would mean changes to EasyLinuxinfo and FedoraFrog but it would mirror FedoraFAQ, which we link, and Mauriat Miranda's site.

[Dies]

Yeah, that's the one I was talking about, I think I tried using it but I don't remember how that went, I don't think it went well though, lol.

[bob]

Okay people; Jim's too modest to link this, but I'll do it for him. He's got an excellent start on a tutorial series already in the works: http://jimlawrnc.mine.nu/mywiki/Home While certainly not every topic is covered, the wiki is very new and I think it's a great start!

[nick.stumpos]

I like it so far, good reference, maybe we can get him in on this thread and get some opinions. I think a welcome addition would be a simple walkthrough of initial setup and installation, as opposed to groupings of how-tos you have to click on, as someone who is just starting may not know what they need. also i didnt read the whole thing but i think his yum page is just the man for yum

[JN4OldSchool]

Originally Posted by bob

Okay people; Jim's too modest to link this, but I'll do it for him. He's got an excellent start on a tutorial series already in the works: http://jimlawrnc.mine.nu/mywiki/Home While certainly not every topic is covered, the wiki is very new and I think it's a great start!

Oh man, thats great! I am getting ready to eat so I'll browse it in depth later but it looks good!

[nick.stumpos]

nevermind i was wrong and being lazy good job jim this has promise

[nick.stumpos]

on jims tutorail for the anaconda .i586 bug
he says
rpm -q --qf='%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch}\n' kernel
should come up empty if you sont have the .i586 problem.
can anyone confirm this as i removed the fc kernel packages
it seems like it should return the i686 kernel