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Old 21st April 2008, 03:10 PM
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Coming back to Fedora

Coming back to Fedora after a long absence.

- Can I get a minimal install ISO that can fit on a CD?
- How long is Fedora supported for?
- Is it Fedora and Extras? Are the Dag and 3 party repos supported?
- Fedora lost out when Dell and other OEM's who chose Linux picked Ubuntu. (I could never stand all that brown)
- Is Fedora behind the other distros?
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Old 21st April 2008, 03:26 PM
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Fedora is way ahead of other distros.
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Old 21st April 2008, 03:28 PM
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Fedora is way ahead of other distros.
Thanks for replying to one point so quickly but what about the others?
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Old 21st April 2008, 03:33 PM
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1) Yes Try the liveCD. You can install and "Yum-up" the system from there.

2) Two releases plus about one month. In other words, about a year.

3) (a) Nope. Extras merged with Core back in F7. (b) Efforts are underway to coordinate repos, but I don't know the status of that project. Ask Rahul or Firewing1.

4) Fedora was never a serious contender for that position. Fedora's stance regarding staying "clean" of proprietary and encumbered software/code holds precedence over desire to claim that kind of market space.

5) "Distro Wars" are an illusion. It's all community based open source linux development. Each and every distro is a part of the whole Linux family. Whereas there are some healthy rivalries, and even some stimulating competition, in the end, it's all about choice and freedom. To quote JN4, "Linux is Linux." I think fedora users understand and support this. Most eschew the "fanboy" approach, and are quite eager to test and support other distros as well.


That about cover it? <....>


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Old 21st April 2008, 03:37 PM
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Hello jazzjeff

Fedora is generally reckoned to be cutting edge, sometimes so much so that it cuts itself, but that's the nature of the beast.

In the downloads section you will find single cd's that run as lived cd's and will install you one desktop. you can add others over the internet.

It's supported for roughly 13 months. So Fedora 8 is now some six months old and due to be replaced with Fedora 9 in the next few weeks. 8 will be supported during the life of 9 + about one month.

The main repositories apart from Main and updates are Livna, Freshrpms and atrpms. Most people would use Livna regularly and enable Freshrpms and atrpms just when they needed something not in Livna to avoid conflicts. It is possible to have one of those two as your main third party repository in place of Livna if you prefer.

Post back if you have any other questions.

Edit: Beaten to the save button I see.
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Old 21st April 2008, 03:41 PM
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By four whole minutes! <....>
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Old 21st April 2008, 03:56 PM
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I don't have anything more to add than what Dan and bbfuller have already stated, however please don't compare Linux Distros.

Each distro has something unique to offer, and ultimately its up to you to decide which distro you want.

If you like Fedora then use it, if you don't then don't use it.

Simple.

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Old 21st April 2008, 04:46 PM
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I don't have anything more to add than what Dan and bbfuller have already stated, however please don't compare Linux Distros.

Each distro has something unique to offer, and ultimately its up to you to decide which distro you want.

If you like Fedora then use it, if you don't then don't use it.

Simple.
There's a big difference between using the distro you like and saying that you shouldn't compare Linux distros. That's a confusing comment... Just because they're unique doesn't mean we can't compare their features, usability, stability, speed, etc.
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Old 21st April 2008, 04:49 PM
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I don't have anything more to add than what Dan and bbfuller have already stated, however please don't compare Linux Distros.
I'd say some comparisons are good. When discussing which distro to let my Grandma test I'm not going to recommend Gentoo over Ubuntu. I think I get what you're trying to say, which is don't try to say one distro is "better" or "worse" than another, but some healthy comparisons are a very good thing.

All the other questions look answered but I'd like to go back to the first question, regarding a minimal install CD. Does Fedora offer any CDs with just the base system? No X server, no Gnome, KDE, etc?
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Old 21st April 2008, 04:53 PM
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All the other questions look answered but I'd like to go back to the first question, regarding a minimal install CD. Does Fedora offer any CDs with just the base system? No X server, no Gnome, KDE, etc?
Yes and no... you could use the DVD to do this but you'd have to manually uncheck all the X stuff, GUI environments, and the like. Then it's a question of whether it's worth the time.
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Old 21st April 2008, 05:50 PM
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I kind of agree with tjvanwyk. I don't see the big problem with comparing distributions. I think we should do it more often. Here are some good reasons:

* comparisons are helpful

Without comparing the performances, we would never have known that Linux was better than Windows.

* comparisons are fun

Yes, they are. Who among us does not enjoy trash-talking about other distributions in a light-hearted manner?

* comparisons are part of human nature

The "other distros" are like the other women in the neighbourhood. Sure, one may have an attractive girlfriend or wife, but it is part of the male nature to notice the other women and see how they compare against one's companion.

At least we can be thankful about the fact that Fedora does not smash our expensive chinaware and make us sleep on the sofa for weeks on end when we create a partition on our hard drive and make room for another distribution.
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Old 21st April 2008, 06:16 PM
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sounds like someone is having women troubles :|
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Old 21st April 2008, 06:48 PM
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I got the Fedora-8-Live-i686.iso(it was good to see that the main redhat site with the ISO actually redirected to a nearby fast mirror. In the past the speeds from the main server could slow down.) and then installed to the HD. After logging in as the newly created user, something called PUP popped up to claim there were about 250 updates. I don't know PUP and instead su - to root and will then install the updates.

- Yum Groupinstall still work and can i swallow a whole lot of packages as I want to test out the new Fedora?
- Any tips on this PUP?
- Why is the Desktop like Debian. Where is clearlooks?
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Old 21st April 2008, 06:56 PM
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1) yes
2) Not sure what you are asking for. It is a simple run it, click update sort of program. Nothing confusing in there.
3) Fedora 8 has a custom designed new theme in fact. Refer https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka. Clearlooks is still available as a option in preferences -> look and feel -> appearances.
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Old 21st April 2008, 07:30 PM
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sounds like someone is having women troubles :|
Ha... that woman comparison reminded me of that "If Linux Distros were women" shtick that goes around from time to time. Something like "Redhat is an expensive but beautiful, classy and disease free escort girl" and "Fedora is just like RedHat except she doesn't cost you a dime."
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