Fedora 16 Alpha discussion thread

[paolo1965]

..Hi..

for me too:

"A problem has occured, and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again"

I tried the RC4 worked ok ..installed....updated ..all ok !

bye
Paolo

[zuser]

KDE-x64 live cd booted ok onToshiba U500-ST5305 with nvidia G210m and realtek wifi, both working
Unfortunately overheating due to no thermal management ie no cooling fan.
Otherwise, looking good.

[chepioq]

Originally Posted by zuser

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Unfortunately overheating due to no thermal management ie no cooling fan.
Otherwise, looking good.

I have same problem with my nvidia 8700M GT.

It's a problem with nouveau, that does not manage the fans for some cards...

And F16 don't support nvidia-driver, because debugging...

[AdamW]

Does custom partitioning work? Yes, the installer can make custom partition layouts. Some specific ones may not work, you will need a BIOS boot partition if you're using GPT disk labels (the default) with BIOS rather than EFI, and there's a big caveat below.

The big caveat is something discussed above: in Alpha, anaconda can't install the bootloader to a partition, only to the MBR. This is documented, with a slightly icky workaround, here. It should be fixed for Beta.

'A problem has occurred and the system can't recover' is what's colloquially referred to as the GNOME Fail Whale - it means some key GNOME component is crashing repeatedly. You can try hitting alt-f4, and if the component isn't quite so key as all that, the Fail Whale will disappear (it's really just a full-screen app) and you'll see the glory of GNOME beneath it, and probably an abrt icon which will tell you what's actually crashing. If alt-f4 doesn't help, you can go to a console and try and find what's crashing from ~/.xsession-errors . Either way, we need to know exactly what's crashing to debug the issue; just knowing that you're hitting the Fail Whale screen isn't quite enough.

(Would it be nice for the Fail Whale to have a button which fires up icewm and runs abrt-gui inside it? Yes, yes it probably would.)

[smr54]

Thanks, (as always) for the further explanation.

Will probably wait then, at least till I do some reading on grub2.

[xheliox]

Not sure what changed, but just testing out F16 Alpha on my Mactel and the video was very sluggish.

I was able to fix it by adding the NoAccel 'true' option to xorg.conf, but I didn't have to do this in the past. Anyone experiencing anything similar?

ATI Technologies Inc Broadway PRO [Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series]

[dd_wizard]

I never did manage to get the F16 alpha installer to work, so I borrowed a page from the rawhide manual; use the netinstaller from the most recent stable version. I partitioned a USB stick into a 300MB FAT partition and used livecd-iso-to-disk to make an F15 netinstall USB partion. I formated the rest of the stick to ext2 and copied the F16 alpha install DVD iso file to it. The following worked for making a custom partitioning scheme:

1. Boot the netinstaller
2. Press TAB and append askmethod to the boot command, then press enter
3. After selecting language and keyboard, use the arrow keys to find the partition with the install iso
4. Enter / for the path, unless you put it in a sub-directory
5. Select Custom Layout and set up your partions
6. Install the boot loader to the /boot partition. The other option for me was the MBR of the netinstall USB stick!

Some interesting side notes:

The F15 installer performs a legacy grub install, so I just tweaked the entry in the F16 /boot/grub/grub.conf and copied it to the grub configuration file in my F15 /boot partition. Guess I'm not ready for grub2.

So far, everything is AOK.

dd_wizard

[AdamW]

xheliox: was this with the stock Alpha kernel (which is a bit old) or did you update your kernel after install?

[xheliox]

Originally Posted by AdamW

xheliox: was this with the stock Alpha kernel (which is a bit old) or did you update your kernel after install?

3.1.0-0.rc3.git0.0.fc16.x86_64 -- pretty sure I updated after install.

[paolo1965]

AdamW,thanks for the explanation...

bye
Paolo

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AdamW,thanks for the explanation...

bye
Paolo

[kkshethin]

Laptop Lenovo G550. Dual Boot with Window7 & Fedora15_64
Downloaded Fedora-16-Alpha-x86_64-Live-Desktop.iso.
Booted in virtualbox 4.1.2r73507. success. Used Install to harddisk option.

1. Allocated 1024 MB RAM& 8GB HD. Tried to install by custom partitioning. Only boot & Root partition. No swap.
Error. says cannot install, less memory. required 1069 ram. available memory 1011 (perhaps 1024-13 video memory which virtualbox keeps default). Created swap of 500 MB. Installed. error message regarding bootloader might not be installed correctly. On booting, error- no bootable media found.

2. installed by replace existing linux system. Installed. booted. Gnome 3 fails again in virtualbox. fallback mode. Shutdown not working properly.

3. Yum update. error says use --skip-broken. used skip-broken.

Packages skipped because of dependency problems:
1:control-center-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
1:control-center-filesystem-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
empathy-3.1.5.1-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
evolution-data-server-3.1.5-2.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
1:folks-0.6.0-5.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-contacts-0.1.2-2.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-keyring-3.1.4-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-keyring-pam-3.1.4-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-menus-3.1.5-2.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-panel-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-shell-3.1.4-2.gite7b9933.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
libsocialweb-0.25.19-1.fc16.x86_64 from fedora
libsocialweb-keys-0.25.19-1.fc16.noarch from fedora
p11-kit-0.3-2.fc16.x86_64 from fedora
p11-kit-0.4-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
Error: Protected multilib versions: gnome-panel-libs-3.0.2-3.fc16.i686 != gnome-panel-libs-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64
[root@localhost ~]#

Used exclude package by way of -x. updating.

4. After ypdating, Screen went black. No background. Changing of background not working. (fallback mode)

[is977]

I have problem with speed on my 8600GT. Proprietary driver worked fine on F15, but wont install on F16. So I have very bad speed in KDE4.
Any idea how I can speed up nouveau? or what way for remove nouveau and install normal nvidia driver?

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also glibc-2.14.90-6 is very bugged - kde wont start, I get segfault in kdeinit4

[Dutchy]

@kkshethin

To make it shutdown properly you might need to enable the sata cache in Virtualbox.

I also installed it in Virtualbox which works great (also with custom partitioning).
I have the same problems with updating (lots of packages not found) also the guest additions didn't fully install (x-server not installed because of new x-version or something. they work but with a black background in fallback mode).

[kkshethin]

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Re: Fedora 16 Alpha discussion thread
@kkshethin

To make it shutdown properly you might need to enable the sata cache in Virtualbox.

I also installed it in Virtualbox which works great (also with custom partitioning).
I have the same problems with updating (lots of packages not found) also the guest additions didn't fully install (x-server not installed because of new x-version or something. they work but with a black background in fallback mode).

Almost same here.

however, regarding custom partitioning, it is strange that you installed because refer to post of Adamw. It says that it is not posiible for booloader.

Further, there are crash messages for pulsaudio, gnome-setting-daemon (not harmful).

i added one more user. Swiching user do not work.

Background remained black. When i tried to swich user, background (that underwater submarine) temporarily showed.

Default install creates one partition of 1MB for bios. refer details

[root@localhost ~]# parted -l /dev/sda
Model: ATA VBOX HARDDISK (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 11.8GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: gpt

Number Start End Size File system Name Flags
1 1049kB 2097kB 1049kB bios_grub
2 2097kB 526MB 524MB ext4 ext4 boot
3 526MB 11.8GB 11.3GB lvm


Model: Linux device-mapper (linear) (dm)
Disk /dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_root: 8825MB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: loop

Number Start End Size File system Flags
1 0.00B 8825MB 8825MB ext4


Model: Linux device-mapper (linear) (dm)
Disk /dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_swap: 2449MB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: loop

Number Start End Size File system Flags
1 0.00B 2449MB 2449MB linux-swap(v1)


[root@localhost ~]#

[gtirloni]

LiveCD

I tried to boot F16 alpha on a VirtualBox machine (1 proc, 768MB RAM, 12GB disk, 24MB video, USB 2.0, audio enabled, booting from LiveCD iso).

It could not boot and the loading bars (specially the white one) took over the screen and not much happened for 10 minutes.

I decided to reboot and remove "quiet" from the GRUB line and also pressed ESC to see what was happening. The snapshots are attached. I would open a bug but I don't know what to open it against since lots of things seem to be failing. Can anyone guide me?

Install DVD

The install DVD boots with less errors but it hangs right after "Starting Anaconda". Nothing happens after that (no disk or network activity for 10 minutes).

The screenshots are attached. Any hints on how to debug it?