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Old 30th May 2012, 06:04 PM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

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If it's the same issue the solution is in DBelton's post #7, and the following posts. Kind of hidden in this thread:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=280124
Actually did those when I first saw the issue, think at first I had 3 missing file errors, now I have one missing file error and the worst looking menu you have ever seen. I have even tried the latest koji build of grub2, still, I think it has to be a theme issue as grub works perfectly, just looks rubbish.

Sure once I get some spare time I'll figure it out.
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Old 30th May 2012, 07:26 PM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

Well colour me red.

With regard to my last post the Fc16 kernels were a dead give away. I forgot to reformat my /boot file-system. That will teach me not to do upgrades when I am tired. Once I reformatted all system file-systems my installation was successfull with the correct kernel (3.3.4-5), my wirless and well as my USB working correctly.

When I did a yum update I will get a new kernel (3.3.7-1). For what I selected I updated with 62MB of deltas and 13MB of non-deltas. I will setup my other repositories and extras (ie. vlc etc) after I have had some rest.

All in all if you do a fresh install of Fedora 17 it should work providing you don't forget to reformat all system file-systems. In my case a base Fedora 17 install, yum update and basic user (I only have four) setup took me about two hours and that was creating and using a bootable USB stick. It must be noted that I did not have to do a personal data recovery since that is on a seperate logical volume and was not affected by the upgrade.

Needless to say before you do anything a backup of all file-systems (especially your data) is essential, however backups do take time and can add hours to the overall upgrade. In my case I was only using a spare laptop and did not care about my data. When I upgrade my primary laptop I ony have to rsync my personal data and that will take anything from 15 to 30 minutes.

For those interested you can create a bootable USB (I suggest 8 GB or more although a 4 GB will also work) by the following steps after you have downloaded your Fedora ISO (either the DVD or the LIVE_CD) onto your say Fedora 16 machine.

# fdisk -l <-- Gets all USB devices
# umount /dev/usb_part_name <-- If already mounted
# fdisk /dev/usb_part_name <-- Create a FAT partition name.
# /sbin/mkdosfs -F 32 -n MY_LABEL /dev/usb_part_name

Note: MY_LABEL is the name you wish to call your USB device (eg. LIVE)

Get livecd tools

# yum install livecd-tools

# livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr /path/to/ISO /dev/USBPARTITIONNAME

Example (make sure you have unmounted the USB stick):
# livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr <path_to_fedor_iso>/Fedora-15-x86_64-DVD/Fedora-15-x86_64-DVD.iso /dev/sdd1


Note: You can check your progress by using "df -k /dev/<usb_stick>"
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Old 30th May 2012, 07:26 PM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

I tried the preupgrade over the 'net with my laptop for starters.
The install hung once and had to be restarted.
Second try finished.
Got missing files listed by grub2 and the need to press a key, but it booted.
First shutdown did not work and had to log into a console and 'shutdown -r now'.
Next I tried to boot Windows 7 64-bit. No luck.
I removed the grub2 xxx beta4 package and then reinstalled grub2 and got the 1.99 version from Fedora 16.
I then put in my tweaks for /etc/default/grub and set it back up.
Ugly grub screen, but everything boots.

That system had been loaded with a fresh install of Fedora 16 a few weeks back.
The other machines may be more fun -- longer chain of updates.
I'll see how it goes.

Update 06/13/2012
The desktop went OK, but it still had grub 0.97, so ended up using that.

On the laptop, for some reason, it was still pointing at Fedora 16 for updates. I got the repos switched to Fedora 16 and got all the Fedora 16 and earlier cleaned up.
It then ran an update. The update put back on the beta4 of grub2 and broke the ability to boot Windows again.

Totally gave up on the laptop and installed Kubuntu 12.04 LTS 64-bit. No problems at all. I see that uses grub 1.99.
Sure don't know what was behind shipping a beta4 version with a release. I have used Fedora since after RedHat 9 and used RedHat back to about 5.2 or 4.x.
Sure hated to give up on it, but I wanted to get the PC working and and not have to mess with it for the next 6 months.

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Old 30th May 2012, 08:14 PM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

Checking it out a little bit more today, I noticed Firefox and Blender were both missing from my Desktop. Doing updates and will investigate that later, probably just a little address bungle. I have Chrome Icon but not Firefox. Weird. Currently running updates. Will reboot and check it out then.
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Old 30th May 2012, 09:23 PM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

Of course clean installs work better; I just did one today (which I mention in this thread), which went fine despite an easily fixable video issue. But this is about doing an upgrade, in my case with the install DVD (I wasn't brave enough to use preupgrade). Lots of people (including me) have legitimate reasons for doing that, and it should work (or else it shouldn't be offered as an option on the DVD). With the exception of F8, upgrades have always worked fine for me. There really shouldn't be anything magical about it, because there isn't. I think the problems with the F17 upgrade were due just to some sloppiness on the part of the Fedora devs, and I trust that it will get better for F18.
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Old 30th May 2012, 10:40 PM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

Quick question - when I boot up my laptop the grub version is 1.9.9. I got confused a bit, trying to figure out which grub version I'm using - 2 or 1. I read that, say, grub 0.9 = grub 1, whereas grub 1.9 = grub 2. Am I correct?

Also, I tried this method:

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1. Reboot the machine, and press alt/space/esc just-before-fedora starts to bring up the grub menu.
2. Select the f16 entry and press 'e', it'll give you an option to edit the grub command line.
3. Search/replace f16 and replace it with f17 in all the lines.
4. Ctrl-X to reboot.
5. This should give you a working OS.
6. Assuming that the F17 is running OK, type the following (as root, use at your own risk):
$ rpm -qa | grep ^kernel | grep fc16 | sort
<list of f16 kernels)
7. Now either remove the fc16 kernel manually or go auto (use at your own risk, may eat babies)
$ yum remove $(rpm -qa | grep ^kernel | grep fc16)
8. Once done, rebuild the grub2 menu.
$ grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
9. Reboot (may give you file not found errors, but they won't prevent you from successfully booting into f17)

- Gilboa
But after typing rpm -qa in the terminal, I get a hude list like this:

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libvdpau-0.4.1-7.fc17.x86_64
plymouth-plugin-two-step-0.8.4-0.20120319.2.fc17.x86_64
ConsoleKit-x11-0.4.5-2.fc17.x86_64
farstream-0.1.2-2.fc17.x86_64
exiv2-libs-0.22-5.fc17.x86_64
elfutils-libelf-0.153-2.fc17.i686
foomatic-filters-4.0.8-8.fc17.x86_64
cjet-0.8.9-11.fc17.x86_64
plymouth-system-theme-0.8.4-0.20120319.2.fc17.x86_64
khmeros-fonts-common-5.0-12.fc17.noarch
perl-macros-5.14.2-211.fc17.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-glib2-1.1-9.fc17.i686
libmodman-2.0.1-4.fc17.x86_64
makebootfat-1.4-13.fc17.x86_64
xmms-libs-1.2.11-16.20071117cvs.fc17.x86_64
NetworkManager-pptp-0.9.3.997-1.fc17.x86_64
cups-libs-1.5.2-12.fc17.x86_64
sudo-1.8.3p1-7.fc17.x86_64
ncurses-5.9-4.20120204.fc17.x86_64
iwl6000g2a-firmware-17.168.5.3-2.fc17.noarch
abrt-addon-ccpp-2.0.10-3.fc17.x86_64
libpciaccess-0.13.1-1.fc17.x86_64
systemd-analyze-44-12.fc17.x86_64
xdg-utils-1.1.0-0.11.20111207.fc17.noarch
...and then the grep ^kernel command doesn't do anything. Or at least I can't see what it does - I've waited for 5/10mins., but to no avail.

So, I'm assuming I'm doing something wrong, since I'm new to Fedora and I don't know the commands yet. If it's not too irritating, would anyone care to explain the way I can fix those pesky kernel/shutdown issues in more detail? Help would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 31st May 2012, 01:20 AM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

Hi Rupert. I know exactly what you have went through. I did exactly the same and it tooks me hours to cleanup the dependency problem from old packages that did not get upgraded correctly by anaconda. But in the end I think I did not regret that decision. I would rather spending hours to fix the dependencies issue than spending even more hours to re-customize and re-configure everything from fresh install to what I have before the upgrade
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Old 31st May 2012, 03:05 AM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

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I would rather spending hours to fix the dependencies issue than spending even more hours to re-customize and re-configure everything from fresh install to what I have before the upgrade
Oh yeah, absolutely it was worth it for me as well. I have so many things not from Fedora packages -- installed not just in /usr/local but all over the filesystem -- that there's no way I'd want to do a fresh install on this machine. Despite the problems, the upgrade was still the easier route.

I've cooled down since the other day, and now that everything's back to normal I'm enjoying F17.
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Old 31st May 2012, 03:07 AM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

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Performing the grub2-install eliminated the error message that Gilboa's method left.
Performing the grub2-install step using the dev/sda5 of my /boot partition rendered my system unbootable, until I used the install disc rescue mode to run it to /dev/sda I upgraded via preupgrade, and gilboa's method helped, but I always burn a DVD, just in case I futz something up. Thank goodness, and thank goodness for lynx which gave me hope that installing back to /dev/sda would fix it.

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Old 31st May 2012, 03:32 AM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

I was concerned after reading this thread but I'll have to say that my upgrade experience was fairly painless, even with an old Nvidia MX4000 (96xx) card using the Nouveau drivers.

I updated using the full 32-bit DVD install media, rebooted and noticed that it booted with the last F16 kernel. After a full update, software updater installed the latest F17 kernel (3.3.7-1.fc17) and all was well. One thing in my favor might have been that I had fairly generic F16 32-bit install to start with. I figure users might as well give the update a whirl and if there are problems that can't be fixed, there's always a clean install.

So far, F17 (32-bit) is running well and looking good..

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Old 31st May 2012, 07:20 AM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

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...and then the grep ^kernel command doesn't do anything. Or at least I can't see what it does - I've waited for 5/10mins., but to no avail.

So, I'm assuming I'm doing something wrong, since I'm new to Fedora and I don't know the commands yet. If it's not too irritating, would anyone care to explain the way I can fix those pesky kernel/shutdown issues in more detail? Help would be greatly appreciated!
Make sure you didn't forget the pipe (''|") between the rpm -qa and the grep ^kernel.

$ rpm -qa | grep ^kernel

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Old 31st May 2012, 09:31 AM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

Thanks again, I copy-pasted your commands and they worked. Only issue is that I attempted to update the dracut and after a reboot my system is now unbootable. It cannot find the grub file and I cannot boot to the Win 7 partition either. Any ideas if this is fixable via commands from the screen which shows that grub cant load?
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Old 31st May 2012, 03:14 PM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

Long time user/lurker, joined forum just to reply to OP:

Yes, yes it is.
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Old 31st May 2012, 03:34 PM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

OK, I don't get this. I follow Gilboa's instructions, they work, then I reboot, then the GRUB disappears.
I burn a DVD, I start my laptop, then instead of "Recover Fedora" or whatever I have "Start Fedora 17" and "Troubleshooting".

I choose Start Fedora 17 and try it out.
I get this from the System Monitor: http://i.imgur.com/8pfYA.png
Then I reboot, trying to find the "Fedora recovery" or whatever.
I don't find it, so I choose Start Fedora 17 again and I get this: http://i.imgur.com/bUQoz.png

What the?

How can I fix the GRUB so I can go back to the KDE Fedora 17 I installed two days ago?

Can someone please explain this, step-by-step? In reward - 9000 internet points. : )

EDIT
Oh, it turns out I didn't select the partitions so that the System Monitor can see them. Nonetheless, that leaves me with a missing GRUB and a lack of knowledge as to what can actually fix it. :/

EDIT 2
Anyway, I just installed a clean Fedora 17 on top of the existing one and that fixed all issues for now.

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Old 31st May 2012, 08:47 PM
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Re: F17: Worst upgrade ever?

I have just done a clean install of Fedora 17 on my Intel Motherboard with Pentium 4 CPU and 2 GB of RAM. Used the KDE Live spin. Hated Fedora 15 and 16 and reverted to Fedora 14 in the past. But won't be doing that now as F17 has installed well and I haven't yet found a problem. Early days, but I'm fairly sure I won't revert to F14 a third time!
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